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PostSubject: Delta vs. Tadpole   Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:53 pm

Just seeing if a little discussion could be stirred up regarding the relative merits of Delta vs. Tadpole trikes. I've read some articles and reviews, but I wonder if there's anyone who's ridden both and could share some first-hand info. There's a shop not too far from me where I could get a good deal on a Sun EZ-3, and from all I've read it seems that a Delta might suit my needs more than a tadpole would. Any insights?
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PostSubject: Re: Delta vs. Tadpole   Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:52 pm

Nightturkey wrote:
Just seeing if a little discussion could be stirred up regarding the relative merits of Delta vs. Tadpole trikes. I've read some articles and reviews, but I wonder if there's anyone who's ridden both and could share some first-hand info. There's a shop not too far from me where I could get a good deal on a Sun EZ-3, and from all I've read it seems that a Delta might suit my needs more than a tadpole would. Any insights?


I don't know what are your needs. The Delta trike is not known for its speed but for its more upright position and comfort. Now if you want a Delta with some speed I personally would look at something like the Hase KettwieselKettwiesel again it all depends on the type of riding you're going to do.

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PostSubject: Re: Delta vs. Tadpole   Mon Jan 19, 2009 9:35 pm

My needs are simple. I intend to commute whenever I can (12.5 miles each way, some rolling hills, rural roads with hardly any traffic), save money on gas and other automotive expenses, and delay the inevitable descent into old fart-hood as long as I can. Interesting comment abotu the relative speed - I had heard that the deltas were actually faster than the tadpoles, generally speaking.
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PostSubject: Re: Delta vs. Tadpole   Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:51 pm

I have not ridden a Kettwiesel though it would appear they are better and faster than deltas I have ridden, I have an old fart trike, and had a recumbent "Brike" that was lean steer and as far as I can tell the best of that breed. I mainly ride a Catrike pocket.

Getting in and out of a recumbent is an issue for both the brike and tadpole, but a 12 mile each way means that you need whatever you ride to be as technical as possible, which limits you to either the Kettwiesel or any of several tadpole brands. (I don't think the Sun deltas are in that class, though their tadpole is) The fact that it is several tadpole brands is telling.

When going around corners the weight is thrown to the outer front quarter making the tadpole design more stable no matter what the power, but the logical interference of pedals and front wheel in a recumbent IMHO has no elegant solution except the tadpole design.

The delta design is easier to make, and therefore generally cheaper to buy but the last 5 miles of that daily commute will have you willing to pay anything after you have tried to save that money. All that said you have to make sure that the more technical trike stays that way, with tire inflation and toe in carefully maintained. I got my Catrike extra cheap because the previous owner was disgusted with the performance as the toe in was way off.

In absolute relative speed the engine is the ultimate decider but beyond that IMHO while weight in grams is easier to take off the rider than the trike, 40 excess pounds on the trike design will definitely have a bad effect, and 27 speeds are definitely better than 1 or three where you want the maximum speed for the least effort.
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PostSubject: Re: Delta vs. Tadpole   Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:13 pm

Nightturkey wrote:
My needs are simple. I intend to commute whenever I can (12.5 miles each way, some rolling hills, rural roads with hardly any traffic), save money on gas and other automotive expenses, and delay the inevitable descent into old fart-hood as long as I can. Interesting comment abotu the relative speed - I had heard that the deltas were actually faster than the tadpoles, generally speaking.



I've rode both and I don't believe that there is a Delta trike made that can stay with a Tadpole trike especially the EZ models. There tadpole weighs between 47 and 50lbs and the deltas are running between 50 and 56lbs and the USX is like a tank at 65 lbs. ( Gosh scratch my GTT2s weighs that much and two of us ride that. ) Now consider the Catrike series everything they make weighs less than 35lbs. My Speed was 29lbs at time of purchase. If you're looking for a Delta and want any chance at speed Hase is the way.

Personally if I'm commuting 25 miles it's not going to be on a Delta trike. This being said, remember this is just my opinion. Just do your research and make the right choice for you that's what counts.

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PostSubject: Re: Delta vs. Tadpole   Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:52 am

Nightturkey wrote:
from all I've read it seems that a Delta might suit my needs more than a tadpole would. Any insights?


Nightturkey

I don't know your needs.... Physically if you have bad knees and flexibility is an issue, a delta with the seat that is going to be around 8 inches higher than a typical tadpole could be just the ticket for you........ Getting off a delta is a lot easier than a tadpole. The tadpole won't let you get your heels under your weight..... A delta trike will, so you can pop off a lot easier.

If weight is a concern, meaning a heavy trike is not what you'd want, ya gotta go tadpole or a very expensive aluminum delta..... Catrike has a line of reasonably price trikes, where you'll find deltas get pretty pricey and light weight deltas pricier still......

The newest delta out is the Tizard from Rans. Low to the ground, so entry and exit is still going to be a bit tough.... But it's the newest idea in the delta trike design.........

Read all about the different types of trikes, but be sure to test ride the ones you think you'd buy...... Doing that, the right trike will pick you!........

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PostSubject: Re: Delta vs. Tadpole   Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:49 am

"The right trike will pick me"
I got a mental image of me saying to my wife, "It followed me home, can I keep it?" Laughing
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PostSubject: Ya gotta follow that with:   Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:28 pm

Nightturkey wrote:
"It followed me home, can I keep it?" Laughing


That line worked for bike number 3, but it was followed quickly by, "How about I take the prettiest lady ever out for dinner after I put the bike in the garage!"

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PostSubject: Re: Delta vs. Tadpole   Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:47 am

I've test rode several Deltas, and find myself underwhelmed. I also rode several different models of Tadpoles, and found myself happy enough with some. I settled on the Catrike Road and Expedition models from Big Cat HPV.
With the commute you're talking about, I think you would be well served by one of the Tadpole trikes.
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PostSubject: Delta   Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:28 am

I have only ridden a tadpole (for an afternoon), never a delta. So all I know is what I've been told. That said, I have only two words for the delta: Unstable Turns.

The delta's greater weight helps hold it down somewhat. But just recall when you rode a tricycle as a kid. The thing was inherently unstable in a turn. You pedaled faster and faster and inevitably would do an "Arte." Geometry and physics both conspire again the delta.

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