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Racer46
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PostSubject: Re: Mirrors   Wed Apr 08, 2009 11:44 pm

rddy wrote:
I have no issues with the bar end mirror or handle bar type mirror, I'd never use a Helmet type, there just not reliable or safe.


I don't understand why you don't think they are reliable or safe. A mirror is reliable, it's always going to show a reflection. Other than poking someones eye out in a very close encounter I don't see how they would be unsafe.

I like my helmet mounted mirror because with small movements of my head I can get a view of whats directly behind me, off to my right or to my left.

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PostSubject: Re: Mirrors   Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:16 am

As you said Other than poking someones eye out in a very close encounter or possibly your own eyes or the mirror glass ending up in your eyes if you by chance hit the pavement are good reasons for saying they are not reliable or safe.

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I like my helmet mounted mirror because with small movements of my head I can get a view of whats directly behind me, off to my right or to my left.


That small movement of your head creates such a drastic change in what you see, you can tend miss things you should be seeing is another reason I wouldn't have a helmet mirror, but hey this is just my opinion to each his own. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Mirrors   Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:11 am

rddy wrote:
As you said Other than poking someones eye out in a very close encounter or possibly your own eyes or the mirror glass ending up in your eyes if you by chance hit the pavement are good reasons for saying they are not reliable or safe.


Since I wear eyeglasses, and they sit so close to my head that the helmet straps go over the bows, my eyeglasses have no chance of leaving my eyes before my helmet would be fully gone. Which means the mirror would be gone with it. I think the danger from a piece of mirror glass in my eye is not that great.

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I like my helmet mounted mirror because with small movements of my head I can get a view of whats directly behind me, off to my right or to my left.


rddy wrote:

That small movement of your head creates such a drastic change in what you see, you can tend miss things you should be seeing is another reason I wouldn't have a helmet mirror, but hey this is just my opinion to each his own. Smile


I think rddy's point should be well taken whenever you're getting used to a new helmet mirror. Heck, I still try to look back over my shoulder if I'm not sure of what I'm seeing, even with a mirror, and I think that is always a wise move. But after I have "zeroed in" on the scene behind me, I do not think there is too much chance of me NOT seeing the big, important things I need to see. (Pretty hard to miss a Cadillac Escalade which fills the entire mirror.) And, come to think of it, the way my handlebars twitch when I'm correcting at low speeds, the handlebar mirror might even cause me to miss more.

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PostSubject: Re: Mirrors   Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:47 am

I've used both handlebar mirrors and eyeglass mounted mirrors. I've never used a helmet mount, so I will refrain from comment in that regard. I can say that for my own personal use, I prefer the eyeglass mount. The only time it's been an issue that was unbearabe was when it was misting to the point I had to take my glasses off... No more mirror. But, I prefer the vision I have from flicking my eyes as opposed to moving my head from my forward look to the bke mounted mirror. As always, YMMV.

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PostSubject: Re: Mirrors   Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:51 am

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But after I have "zeroed in" on the scene behind me


That's the problem and the point I was trying to make. An individual can not look into a helmet mirror without turning his or her head to get as you say zeroed in and to get zeroed in you're losing track of what's taking place in front of you.

Not only do you lose track of what's happening in front of you but it's a persons natural reflex to move in the direction they're looking and that means the bike is moving into the traffic. It reminds me of the small child learning to ride a bike down the road and seeing a mailbox Question have you ever seen one miss the box. It's a minds natural reflex. IMO Helmet mirrors are not safe.
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PostSubject: Re: Mirrors   Thu Apr 09, 2009 2:14 pm

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IMO Helmet mirrors are not safe.


I have to disagree here. I don't use a helmet mirror very often but when I do I don't feel that is unsafe. I'll admit it took some getting used to but now that I'm used to using one I don't really have a problem with it. If this is the only mirror that one uses that's still better and safer than not to have any mirror at all.

Just my .02 YMMV

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PostSubject: Re: Mirrors   Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:34 am

rydabyk wrote:
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IMO Helmet mirrors are not safe.


I have to disagree here. I don't use a helmet mirror very often but when I do I don't feel that is unsafe. I'll admit it took some getting used to but now that I'm used to using one I don't really have a problem with it. If this is the only mirror that one uses that's still better and safer than not to have any mirror at all.

Just my .02 YMMV

Walt


I think you've summed it up well here Walt....... I have a pair of bar end mirrors on the two bikes I ride the most. In my pack on the bike, I actually carry my old Third Eye Mirror that mounts to glasses.. That's my spare in case I manage to bust one of the bar ends..... I've tried all types, I'm just more comfortable with bar ends... That doesn't make any one type better than another, but that does say I have a preference.........

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PostSubject: Re: Mirrors   Fri Apr 10, 2009 3:57 am

I hope I did not give the impression that I have to "zero in" every time I use the helmet mirror. No, just the first couple of times I use it for the ride.

I don't know about everybody else, but it seems like my helmet is never in the same place each time I wear it. It could be as a result of a different "bed head" arrangement, or the effect of the temperature, or maybe my head changes shape from day to day ( wtf Now THAT'S an interesting thought ), but each time I put on my helmet things just feel like they're in a different place from the last time. Thus I have to "fix the focus" on each ride.

Typically, I have discovered I can do the "zeroing in" while seated on the bike, before I even take off. And even if my eye isn't all the way fine tuned, I use the first couple of seconds pedaling to glance repeatedly in the mirror to do it. This happens before I even hit traffic.

I have also rediscovered a little trick from a former life which eliminates the tendency to turn my head and have my front wheel follow the direction of my head (a dangerous situation rddy pointed out earlier). It's a sighting method where you glance over into the mirror, keeping your head still, and then bring your eyes back to sighting straight down the road. You decide if you need to turn your head left or right to see what you want to see, then turn your head in the proper direction while swiveling your eyes to keep them sighted straight down the road (Your eyes "stay in one place" while your head moves). You glance back in the mirror and then back down the road (keeping your head still). If you need to further adjust your head, you do it while again keeping your eyes focused down the road.

The trainer who taught me this said what is happening when an automobile or a gun sight follows your head movement is since you are moving your head AND your eyes at the same time, in the same direction, the rest of your body follows. By breaking it up so that only your eyes or your head are moving at one time, your body won't move to follow.

It may sound complicated and slow, but after you've practiced the move eyes/move head procedure for just a little bit the step by step process becomes very quick and your eyes, your head and your body all cooperate and you don't wander around in the lane when you look into the mirror.

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PostSubject: Re: Mirrors   Fri Apr 10, 2009 1:21 pm

BluesCat,

I think that's the secret to helmet or eyeglass mirrors. I know that I DON'T move my head but I just shift my eyes to the helmet mirror. It became second nature to do so when I used one on my DF touring bike, wheneverI was in the drops or on the aero bar, a quick glance into the mirror was all I really needed, that and my ears telling me if anything was behind me.

Walt
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