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BluesCat
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PostSubject: Recumbents (and their riders) Get No Respect   Thu Feb 26, 2009 1:06 am

I just got a chance to look at my latest issue of Bicycling magazine (April, 2009).

Cover story is about a Buyer's Guide inside, says "With 127 bikes, this compendium offers something for every cyclist, from the entry-level up to the fantasy ride." (Emphasis is mine.)

Yup, saw a Fondriest TF1 Anniversary road bike in there, complete for $13,000. They also had a $120 Giant Little Giant kid's tricycle ...

... ... ... And not a single recumbent ... ... ... ...

Uh, I guess, according to Bicycling magazine, all of us here at RRSC don't ride bicycles, eh? scratch

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Racer46
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PostSubject: Re: Recumbents (and their riders) Get No Respect   Thu Feb 26, 2009 1:42 am

BluesCat wrote:
I just got a chance to look at my latest issue of Bicycling magazine (April, 2009).

Cover story is about a Buyer's Guide inside, says "With 127 bikes, this compendium offers something for every cyclist, from the entry-level up to the fantasy ride." (Emphasis is mine.)

Yup, saw a Fondriest TF1 Anniversary road bike in there, complete for $13,000. They also had a $120 Giant Little Giant kid's tricycle ...

... ... ... And not a single recumbent ... ... ... ...

Uh, I guess, according to Bicycling magazine, all of us here at RRSC don't ride bicycles, eh? scratch

BluesCat cat

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Fortkentdad
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PostSubject: Re: Recumbents (and their riders) Get No Respect   Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:09 am

Well I for one do not ride a BIcycle, my cycle has three wheels Very Happy

I just love the look on the face of the clerks in the sporting goods store when you are looking at some cycle accessory like a cycle-puter, and they say you just mount it on the handlebars, to which I reply: "but my cycle has no handle bars" I do get the strangest looks. One fella thought for a second and asked me if I rode a uni-cycle. Nice try but no cigar.

IF there are articles about recumbent cycling in a cycling mag, it would be good for those in the know to let the rest of us know which mag's do give us a some respect.

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R42Pilot
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PostSubject: Re: Recumbents (and their riders) Get No Respect   Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:41 am

It's not necessarily a lack of respect, it's more a different target audience. IF there were a glossy recumbent magazine, you can be rest assured that you would not see Treks and Waterfords in their buyer's guide.

You can get all butt-hurt about it, or accept it and move along. There are still some good articles on equipment, training techniques, diet, off the bike exercises... You just have to look past the gloss and the lack of recumbents. It's about the only off the shelf bicyling magazine that's not slanted toward mountain biking, so it's about all we have.

You have to keep in mind that the truth of the matter is; no matter how much we love our bikes, we're a very small percentage of the bicycling world.

Mark

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BluesCat
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PostSubject: Re: Recumbents (and their riders) Get No Respect   Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:14 am

Mark:

Yeah ... (sigh) ... yer right.

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BluesCat
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PostSubject: Re: Recumbents (and their riders) Get No Respect   Thu Feb 26, 2009 1:05 pm

Mark, you are absolutely correct about target audience and how a magazine must lean its content toward the products of its advertisers.

My whole point in bringing this up, and putting it in the Advocacy and Safety section, is that the magazine made a point of saying "cyclists" in its sub-head for the article.

We are ALL, indeed, cyclists; whether we are BIcyclists, or TRIcyclists, or mountain bikers, or road bikers, or recumbent bikers. We ride the same roads and --- especially --- face the same perils, and the same disrespect from motorists, and sometimes even the same disrespect from lawmakers and law enforcement. Recumbent riders sometimes even face disrespect from DF bike riders, as if we are not riding REAL bicycles.

Bicycling magazine makes it a point to include a little blurb about the League of American Bicyclists on their web home page. (My membership is the reason I have a subscription.) The League SHOULD be an advocate for ALL cyclists. It seems reasonable to say if the League and all of the other advocacy groups expect to be successful, they need to be inclusive, not exclusive.

Would it kill Bicycling magazine to include just ONE recumbent bike in their Buyer's Guide? The ONLY thing that is different about upright bikes and recumbent bikes is a recumbent has a frame geometry which allows for even MORE people to enjoy cycling. Gosh, if more of us older folks got on bikes as a result of seeing, in the pages of the "World's Leading Bike Magazine," that we could STILL cycle successfully and comfortably into old age, wouldn't that lead to even MORE subscribers, and MORE advertisers and MORE fans of cycling?

Just a rant,
BluesCat cat

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PostSubject: Re: Recumbents (and their riders) Get No Respect   Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:02 pm

BluesCat wrote:
Mark, you are absolutely correct about target audience and how a magazine must lean its content toward the products of its advertisers.

My whole point in bringing this up, and putting it in the Advocacy and Safety section, is that the magazine made a point of saying "cyclists" in its sub-head for the article.

We are ALL, indeed, cyclists; whether we are BIcyclists, or TRIcyclists, or mountain bikers, or road bikers, or recumbent bikers. We ride the same roads and --- especially --- face the same perils, and the same disrespect from motorists, and sometimes even the same disrespect from lawmakers and law enforcement. Recumbent riders sometimes even face disrespect from DF bike riders, as if we are not riding REAL bicycles.

BluesCat cat


All valid points. It could also be argued that what the magazine does and doesn't say about recumbents influences and promotes continued ignorance.... I'm not arguing that, at all. What I'm saying is; a magazine is all about business and they promote and advertise what makes them money. Recumbents are such a fringe thing that nobody really knows what to do with us, or think about us, or how to pigeonhole us.

Truthfully, Americans love to pigeonhole everybody. Our kids have learned from us as we did from our parents. They call each other scene kids, whether they're emo, goth, jocks, stoners, hipsters, hardcore, gangster, whatever. We like to pigeonhole bicyclists, too... mountain bikers (sub categories downhiller, cross country), roadies (sub categories club, racer, recreational), BMXers (see the above scenes for all the sub categories), and those fat guys on weird bikes. See? We don't fit in anywhere.

We have to accept much of the responsibilty for our exclusion, too. You have to take into account we oftentimes are our own worst enemies... There are a lot of recumbent guys that are pretty snooty about it. They say things like "smoking roadies", even if it's an illegal immigrant with his lunch in a plastic bag dangling from the handlebar and his back wheel so out of true it's rubbing on the one brake pad he has left. We brag about our aerobellies and many won't ride anywhere but bikepaths and with other recumbent riders. We want special clothes, special this and special that to go with our special bikes. In other words, we segregate ourselves and then wallow in our empathy for each other because we feel left out.

All that is fine, well and good, but if we want to be accepted and defeat ignorance, you have to SHOW them you belong. Shunning the roadies does nothing but feed their ignorance and arrogance. I'm not talking about just you, or me, but all of us.. If we want to be seen as equals, or that we belong, we have to actually get out there and JOIN. There are a ton of recreational bike clubs that would welcome you with open arms. Yep, they'll probably tease you about your in-line wheel chair, but so? Let your legs do the talking. It doesn't mean you have to be the fastest, you won't be. It just means that you show your desire to belong and you deserve to.

Sadly, that's not going to happen and I can accept that, but I'm not going to be part of it.

/soapbox

Mark

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rydabyk
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PostSubject: Re: Recumbents (and their riders) Get No Respect   Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:19 pm

Fortkentdad wrote:


IF there are articles about recumbent cycling in a cycling mag, it would be good for those in the know to let the rest of us know which mag's do give us a some respect.


Every now and then Adventure Cycling has some articles regarding recumbents in fact they had a complete issue about recumbents not all that long ago. That along with Rails to Trails, LAB's American Cyclist and RUSA's American Randonneur are the only magazines I read anymore.

Walt
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R42Pilot
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PostSubject: Re: Recumbents (and their riders) Get No Respect   Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:28 pm

rydabyk wrote:
Fortkentdad wrote:


IF there are articles about recumbent cycling in a cycling mag, it would be good for those in the know to let the rest of us know which mag's do give us a some respect.


Every now and then Adventure Cycling has some articles regarding recumbents in fact they had a complete issue about recumbents not all that long ago. That along with Rails to Trails, LAB's American Cyclist and RUSA's American Randonneur are the only magazines I read anymore.

Walt


Yeah, but not all that long ago, Adventure Cycling took it on the chin from the trikers because they insinuated a trike might not be the ideal touring cycle. Shocked Yeah, that was ugly.

Mark

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PostSubject: Re: Recumbents (and their riders) Get No Respect   Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:44 pm

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Yeah, but not all that long ago, Adventure Cycling took it on the chin from the trikers because they insinuated a trike might not be the ideal touring cycle. Shocked Yeah, that was ugly.

Mark


Oops...forgot about that Evil or Very Mad

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